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Ret paladin BiS Ulduar

Calberceya @ Kirin Tor
Calberceya
Elder

80 Blood Elf Paladin
0
According to my spreadsheet the most optimal dps gear is as follows

Head: Conquerer's Aegis Helm

Neck: Pendulum of Infinity

Shoulder: Conquerer's Aegis Shoulderplates

Cape: Drape of the Faceless General

Chest: Conquerer's Aegis Battleplate

Wrist: Armbands of Bedlam

Hands: Conquerer's Aegis Gauntlets

Belt: Belt of Colossal Rage

Legs: Plated Leggings of Ruination

Feet: Sabatons of Lifeless Night

Ring1: Band of Lights

Ring2: Seal of the Betrayed King

Trinket1: Comet's Tail

Trinket2: Darkmoon Card: Greatness

Weapon: Dark Edge of Depravity

Libram: Furious Gladiator's Libram of Fortitude

This set just barely beats out using Warhelm of the Champion and T8.5 Legs (like 2 DPS) but there is a slightly different combination of items (ring/belt/bracer). If anyone has a list they think is better please list them here.

Ragingsoul @ Kirin Tor
Ragingsoul

70 Blood Elf Paladin
0
unless I'm mistaken, you're not hit caped or expertise caped with this set, even if, in theory, it produces slightly more dps.

Ragingsoul @ Kirin Tor
Ragingsoul

70 Blood Elf Paladin
0
Edited by Ragingsoul on 2014-06-05 23:47:28
I would do the following changes:
Neck: Frigid strentgh of Hodir
Weapon: Voldrethar

Voldrethar has a 3.6 speed, compare to 3.4

with icewalker, you get more dps, and hit capped (8.05%)
still 2.84% expertise needed.

if you change Rring1 Band of Lights for BladeBearer's signget you loose like 10dps, but you're at 1.76% expertise away.

another swap you can make for the expertise is the back, for drape of the icy intend, and the ring2, for Sif's promise, and you'll get 8.05% hit, 6.04% expertise(with glyph) and only loosig 40dps IN THEORY.

if you don't want to change your gear for trash, with items with more expertise for seal of command, I would go for more expertise, close to the cap, the dps loss is minimum and well within the margin or error.

Demetori @ Kirin Tor
Demetori

80 Human Paladin
0
According to my spreadsheet


sauce?

Calberceya @ Kirin Tor
Calberceya
Elder

80 Blood Elf Paladin
0
You can find the spreadsheet here. I'll post all of my stats when I can access my computer.

http://forums.elitistjerks.com/topic/68239-retribution-updated-for-33/

Demetori @ Kirin Tor
Demetori

80 Human Paladin
0
This is boring, nobody is replying to the thread anymore, I'll just come out and say that the expertise isn't as important as people make it out to be.

Calberceya @ Kirin Tor
Calberceya
Elder

80 Blood Elf Paladin
0
My stats with the set in the OP

Str - 2425
AP - 7988
hit - 8.4%
crit - 45.8%
haste - 20.7%
Armp - 4.4%
Expertise - 14.64

using zero hit/expertise gems, only str and 10 stats

Demetori @ Kirin Tor
Demetori

80 Human Paladin
0
Edited by Demetori on 2014-06-10 23:25:52
EDIT: The below data is invalid
2834 Strength
8211 AP
8.69% hit
37.84% crit
4.94% expertise (80 rating)
33.2% haste (196 rating)

for my set, build in rawr.
I used all the buffs.
I didn't take the 239 leather shoulders from Steelbreaker since it's only an increase of ~8 dps.

Dark Matter > Comet's Trail.

Calberceya @ Kirin Tor
Calberceya
Elder

80 Blood Elf Paladin
0
Edited by Calberceya on 2014-06-09 19:12:12
would you mind posting your gear used and dps in rawr? I'm going to test my gear from the OP in rawr version 2.3.22


Rawr gives me 7942 dps for the set above. using BS/JCing prof and all raid buffs that affect dps (str food) but not using Potion of speed.

Joana @ Kirin Tor
Joana

80 Night Elf Hunter
0
wotlk.chardev.org

Ragingsoul @ Kirin Tor
Ragingsoul

70 Blood Elf Paladin
0
Edited by Ragingsoul on 2014-06-10 17:26:43
I don't know how you get to 2834 Strength and 8211 AP. I'm more than 500 AP less with professions, only strength gear.
Unless you count Berserker uptime, the normal AP should more be in the range of 7800, 7900.

Calberceya @ Kirin Tor
Calberceya
Elder

80 Blood Elf Paladin
0
my spreadsheet counts zerker as 210.74 straight AP and 778 str is coming from buffs, 2400 ap from buffs.

Demetori @ Kirin Tor
Demetori

80 Human Paladin
0
Just opened rawr and player around a bit, came up with this list, the previous one was made with a bugged software, so consider it invalid.


Head Warhelm of the Champion
Neck Pendulum of Infinity
Shoulders Conqueror's Aegis Shoulderplates
Chest Conqueror's Aegis Battleplate
Waist Soul-Devouring Cinch
Legs Conqueror's Aegis Legplates
Feet Sabatons of Lifeless Night
Wrist Armbands of Bedlam
Hands Conqueror's Aegis Gauntlets
Finger1 Brann's Signet Ring
Finger2 Seal of the Betrayed King
Trinket1 Dark Matter
Trinket2 Darkmoon Card: Greatness
Back Drape of the Faceless General
MainHand Voldrethar, Dark Blade of Oblivion
Ranged Libram of Discord
Character: @US-
Race: BloodElf
Status: 8.139 dps
Health: 28.717
Mana: 7.942
Strength: 2.368
Agility: 697
Attack Power: 7.394
Crit Chance: 46,38%
Miss Chance: 0,00%
Dodge Chance: 1,13%
Melee Haste: 33,20%
Weapon Damage: 2.916,26
Attack Speed: 2,55
Total DPS: 8.139
White: 1.640
Seal: 2.460
Crusader Strike: 1.127
Judgement: 1.159
Consecration: 648
Exorcism: 272
Divine Storm: 600
Hammer of Wrath: 231
Hand of Reckoning: 0
Other: 0
Chosen Rotation: HoW-Jud-CS-Con-DS-Exo
Average SoV Stack: 4,91
SoV Overtake: 14,76 sec
Crusader Strike CD: 4,46
Judgement CD: 8,72
Consecration CD: 11,64
Exorcism CD: 17,50
Divine Storm CD: 11,64
Hammer of Wrath CD: 6,43


Calberceya @ Kirin Tor
Calberceya
Elder

80 Blood Elf Paladin
0
Edited by Calberceya on 2014-06-11 18:04:54
Using BSing and JCing profs on a Blood Elf and all buffs Attacking Humanoid and time below 20% at 19%

The Following I used all of the same settings except I optimized the rotation in Rawr to be
CS > Judge > DS > Exo > Cons > HoW
In the spreadsheet the rotation is
Judge > DS > CS > Cons > HoW > Exo

Head: Warhelm of the Champion
Neck: Pendulum of Infinity
Shoulders: Conqueror's Aegis Shoulderplates
Back: Drape of the Faceless General
Chest: Conqueror's Aegis Battleplate
Wrist: Armbands of Bedlam
Hands: Conqueror's Aegis Gauntlets
Waist: Soul-Devouring Cinch
Legs: Conqueror's Aegis Legplates
Feet: Sabatons of Lifeless Night
Finger1: Brann's Signet Ring
Finger2: Seal of the Betrayed King
Trinket1: Dark Matter
Trinket2: Darkmoon Card: Greatness
MainHand: Voldrethar, Dark Blade of Oblivion
Ranged: Furious Gladiator's Libram of Fortitude

*This set uses 21 Agi meta with 10str/10hit in the head and 10 stats in the legs. the rest are STR gems

Spreadsheet- 6977 DPS
Rawr- 8187 DPS

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The Following I used all of the same settings except I optimized the rotation in Rawr to be
CS > Judge > DS > Exo > Cons > HoW
In the spreadsheet the rotation is
Judge > CS > Cons > DS > Exo > HoW

Head: Conqueror's Aegis Head
Neck: Fridgid Strength of Hodir
Shoulders: Conqueror's Aegis Shoulderplates
Back: Drape of Icy Intent
Chest: Conqueror's Aegis Battleplate
Wrist: Armbands of Bedlam
Hands: Conqueror's Aegis Gauntlets
Waist: Soul-Devouring Cinch
Legs: Plated Leggings of Ruination
Feet: Sabatons of Lifeless Night
Finger1: Bands of Lights
Finger2: Seal of the Betrayed King
Trinket1: Comet's Trail
Trinket2: Darkmoon Card: Greatness
MainHand: Voldrethar, Dark Blade of Oblivion
Ranged: Furious Gladiator's Libram of Fortitude

*This set uses 21 Agi meta with 20 Str in the head and 10 stats gem in Seal of the Betrayed King. the rest are STR gems

Spreadsheet- 7021 DPS
Rawr- 8211 DPS

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Please note that in Rawr Furious Gladiator's Libram of Fortitude must be added, I would suggest just editing Wrathful Gladiator's Libram of Fortitude to 144 AP.

It seems to me that of these two sets, optimization the rotations is required. For example, if I have two rotations; CS > judge > DS and Judge > CS > DS, if I increase the priority of DS both rotations will have a DIFFERENT change in value. So there may be some rotation that makes set 1 here better then set 2.

Demetori @ Kirin Tor
Demetori

80 Human Paladin
0
Using CS before Judgement will always lead to a dps loss.

Calberceya @ Kirin Tor
Calberceya
Elder

80 Blood Elf Paladin
0
Edited by Calberceya on 2014-06-12 00:31:03
Using CS before Judgement will always lead to a dps loss.


Why do you think this and can you explain why rawr thinks CS > Judge is better?

Demetori @ Kirin Tor
Demetori

80 Human Paladin
0
Edited by Demetori on 2014-06-12 02:16:59
=The Basic Rotation..=
Basic clash resolution is as follows: HoW > Judgement > CS > DS > Consecration > Exorcism > Holy Wrath


Clash resolution: Skills are chosen in the order of highest DPS first, not highest damage per cast (burst).

..and why..

Judgement - Hardest hitter, returns mana, can't go wrong with this as your top priority.
DS - DS only pulls ahead of CS with 2pcT10 equipped, as its' effective cooldown drops to 6 seconds, and it hits much harder than CS does.
CS - Because of the short CD and ability to proc a seal, you want to keep this on cooldown as much as possible.
HoW - This skill only comes into play when a mob is at 20%; it then becomes high priority due to it's extremely high crit rate and fairly short CD.
Consecration - Consecration moves near the top of the pile only against multiple (4+) adds.
Exorcism - It hits hard, but because of it's somewhat long cooldown (15s) and reliance on spellhit, it isn't great dps. Do not use this on a pull because it will not be instant cast, and will delay entering melee combat.
Holy Wrath - Only effective against multiple (6+) demons/undead, you are better off using your free GCD casting DP or a SS on someone. This is as close to a mana dump skill as we have.


This is from your own source by the way, you might want to actually read what you post before you do so.

I have no idea why rawr tells you to prioritize CS over Judgement.

I'm using Consecration over Divine Storm as well because my recount and world of logs reports say that one hit with divine storm and a seal proc does less damage than a fully ticking consecration.

They have both the same cooldown.

Either you get serious about this topic or leave it be, I was starting to participate in this thread because I thought you actually knew what you're talking about, seems like I was mistaken.

Ragingsoul @ Kirin Tor
Ragingsoul

70 Blood Elf Paladin
0
I have no idea why rawr tells you to prioritize CS over Judgement.

because if you just used DS, then you will probably have a clash, so CS, J, CS will be better, instead of waiting. Really depends on the situation. If I have more than 3 sec cd on other abilities, I'll use CS over Jud, else, the other way around.

Anyway, half of you guys running with Fury of the Five Flights and I had to make a bug report yesterday after getting it, since none did.
Most people are clueless about the class it seems. I thought people that had it were a bit more serious.


Demetori @ Kirin Tor
Demetori

80 Human Paladin
0
Edited by Demetori on 2014-06-12 14:41:05
This is not the right thread if you want to discuss your problems concerning clearing trash in Naxxramas and gear people might or might not be wearing in order to clear trash.

CS > J > CS takes up more than 4 seconds worth of global cooldowns, so its a waste of time.

Demetori @ Kirin Tor
Demetori

80 Human Paladin
0
Are you guys still alive, can I expect any more contributions to this thread or was that it? Getting impatient, since the last post was 5 days ago.

Calberceya @ Kirin Tor
Calberceya
Elder

80 Blood Elf Paladin
0
I posted my lists and im going with the Plated Leggings of Ruination set unless someone can find a better set.

Ragingsoul @ Kirin Tor
Ragingsoul

70 Blood Elf Paladin
0
as per request, I will post my 2 sets,

- 1 with all loot available

-1 without Yogg, General and Mimiron 25 HM, and Algalon.
So that set consist of:
- 25 man Tokens
- Hodir 25man HC, Flame HC
- 10man hard modes (XT, Hodir, yogg)

The difference between both of them is relatively small over a 5min fight: 7941 vs 7623.

The pieces can be swapped when you get them, as they don't require other swaps to stay hit capped/expertise capped.

Both sets include BS and JC.


1st set:
Head Conqueror's Aegis Helm
Neck Frigid Strength of Hodir
Shoulders Conqueror's Aegis Shoulderplates
Chest Conqueror's Aegis Battleplate
Waist Soul-Devouring Cinch
Legs Plated Leggings of Ruination
Feet Sabatons of Lifeless Night
Wrist Armbands of Bedlam
Hands Conqueror's Aegis Gauntlets
Finger1 Seal of the Betrayed King
Finger2 Bladebearer's Signet
Trinket1 Dark Matter
Trinket2 Darkmoon Card: Greatness
Back Drape of Icy Intent
MainHand Voldrethar, Dark Blade of Oblivion
Ranged Libram of Discord
Character: [email protected]
Race: BloodElf
Status: 7,941 dps
Health: 29,124
Mana: 7,810
Strength: 2,454
Agility: 586
Attack Power: 7,482
Crit Chance: 41.15 %
Miss Chance: 0.04 %
Dodge Chance: 0.04 %
Melee Haste: 37.96 %
Weapon Damage: 2,939.27
Attack Speed: 2.51
Total DPS: 7,941
White: 1,622
Seal: 2,427
Crusader Strike: 1,010
Judgement: 1,202
Consecration: 562
Exorcism: 300
Divine Storm: 584
Hammer of Wrath: 233
Hand of Reckoning: 0
Other: 0
Chosen Rotation: HoW-Jud-CS-DS-Con-Exo
Average SoV Stack: 4.92
SoV Overtake: 17.01 sec
Crusader Strike CD: 4.82
Judgement CD: 8.59
Consecration CD: 8.95
Exorcism CD: 17.26
Divine Storm CD: 11.58
Hammer of Wrath CD: 6.39


5min fight, 80% uptime on Consecration, 7,941 dps
for a 2.4min fight, 8185 dps
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/551490/BiS-T8-xml.html

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2nd set.
Head Conqueror's Aegis Helm
Neck Frigid Strength of Hodir
Shoulders Conqueror's Aegis Shoulderplates
Chest Conqueror's Aegis Battleplate
Waist Soul-Devouring Cinch
Legs Plated Leggings of Ruination
Feet Battlelord's Plate Boots
Wrist Bitter Cold Armguards
Hands Conqueror's Aegis Gauntlets
Finger1 Crazed Construct Ring
Finger2 Bladebearer's Signet
Trinket1 Fury of the Five Flights
Trinket2 Darkmoon Card: Greatness
Back Drape of Icy Intent
MainHand Aesir's Edge
Ranged Libram of Discord
Character: [email protected]
Race: BloodElf
Status: 7,623 dps
Health: 29,080
Mana: 7,810
Strength: 2,387
Agility: 586
Attack Power: 7,408
Crit Chance: 39.41 %
Miss Chance: 0.01 %
Dodge Chance: 0.04 %
Melee Haste: 38.10 %
Weapon Damage: 2,881.58
Attack Speed: 2.51
Total DPS: 7,623
White: 1,549
Seal: 2,332
Crusader Strike: 957
Judgement: 1,152
Consecration: 559
Exorcism: 293
Divine Storm: 555
Hammer of Wrath: 227
Hand of Reckoning: 0
Other: 0
Chosen Rotation: HoW-Jud-CS-DS-Con-Exo
Average SoV Stack: 4.92
SoV Overtake: 18.24 sec
Crusader Strike CD: 4.82
Judgement CD: 8.59
Consecration CD: 8.95
Exorcism CD: 17.26
Divine Storm CD: 11.58
Hammer of Wrath CD: 6.39

5min fight, 80% uptime on Consecration, 7,623 dps
for a 2.4min fight, 7,850 dps
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/551492/BiS-T8-2-xml.html



Demetori Set:
7936 dps on 5min,
8177 dps on 2.4min
though can't seem to put strength hit instead of crit
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/551493/BIS-T8-Demetori-xml.html



Ragingsoul @ Kirin Tor
Ragingsoul

70 Blood Elf Paladin
0
Edited by Ragingsoul on 2014-07-20 03:07:39
the changes between the 2 sets are:
Wrist: Bitter Cold Armguards (Odir 10man HC) VS Armbands of Bedlam (Algalon 25)

Weapon: Aesir's Edge (XT 10man HC) VS Voldrethar, Dark Blade of Oblivion (General 25HC)

Feet: Battlelord's Plate Boots (BS crafted) VS Sabatons of Lifeless Night (Algalon 25)

Ring1: Crazed Construct Ring (XT 25man normal) VS Seal of the Betrayed King (Yogg 25man HC)

Trinket1: Fury of the Five Flights (OS 25) VS Dark Matter (Algalon 10)

the Yogg 10 hc belt can also be replaced with the crafted BS belt, which also gives expertise.


main point of those:
Those pieces can be swapped as soon as you get them, as they do not affect the other stats.
it is then easy to upgrade your gear as you progress with your guild, and always be able to give the max dps.


Immense @ Kirin Tor
Immense

1 Human Paladin
0
It makes good sense that you've all quit, because you're all retarded.

Sweglord @ Kirin Tor
Sweglord

1 Human Mage
0
makes good sense to necro a thread

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