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Ulduar PvE Tournament: Speed challenge rules.

Lothloryen @ Kirin Tor
Lothloryen
Staff Member
Edited by Lothloryen on 2015-05-01 01:31:54
Hello Citizens of Dalaran,

These are the rules for this stage of the PvE Tournament: Legends of Dalaran - Ulduar.

Speed run stage general rules:

1) You must accept these conditions (and register like explained here ) in order to participate and obtain a reward.
2) Your streamer or camera man must record the entire raid (make sure to archive your broadcast since we will need to access it after you are done).
3) The players names must be clearly visible.
4) The streamer must have stopwatch enabled and clearly seen during the whole duration of the video/stream.
5) The clock must be clearly seen during the whole duration of the video/stream and you have to show the calendar before the start of each encounter.
6) You can't take advantage of any exploits or hack.
7) The raid party must be clearly seen on the screen of the camera man.
8) The deadline to send us the video is the friday 8th of May. It must be sent to the e-mail: [email protected] with a list of the player names who have participated on the video.


Ulduar - Speed run rules:

It is a one time run, that means, the clock will start at the beginning and it will end after the last boss is dead.
All the participants must start at the Expedition base camp and must remain BEHIND Brann Bronzebeard. The players can start running when the radio says:
"Okay! Let's move out. Get into your machines; I'll speak to you from here via the radio."

All the bosses except Algalon are obligatory.
You can skip some trash if you can, as long as you find a legit way to do it. Note that with this we mean only trash and no boss adds from an encounter - you are not allowed to force a way to avoid them by any means.
The timmer will stop the same second that Yogg-Saron dies or the video ends if you do not kill all the bosses.

If you decide to perform a specific tactic and you have doubts about if it is legit, do not hesitate of writting us an e-mail.

What if one team does not kill all the bosses?

This team can still present their video and be considered participant of the tournament if they have at least reached and killed Auriaya. Note that the following penalizations of time will be added to the timer per boss missing:

Ignis, Razorscale: 20+ minutes.
Mimiron, Freya, Thorim, Hodir: 30+ minutes.
Yogg-Saron, Vezax: 40+ minutes.

Now, since the real challenge comes from the Hard Modes we have decided to remove from the final timer a set amount of minutes per boss. The Hard Modes must be on its harder version when available except for Yogg-Saron which has two options:

Flame Leviathan with 4 towers up.
Freya with 3 elders alive.
In the case of the Iron Council shall be considered Hard Mode when either Steelbreaker or Runemaster Molgeim is the last member being killed.
Yogg-Saron can be done in both, +1 keeper or +0.

This is the table of the minutes that each hard mode boss can remove from your final timer:

Flame Leviathan: 3 minutes.
XT-002 Deconstructor: 5 minutes.
Iron Council: 2 minutes.
Freya: 3 minutes.
Hodir: 2 minutes.
Thorim: 7 minutes.
Mimiron: 7 minutes.
Vezax: 4 minutes.
Yogg-Saron + 0: 8 minutes.
Yogg-Saron + 1: 6 minutes.


The final speed challenge clasification shall provide the following amount of points for the Tournament:

Position 1: 200 points.
Position 2: 185 points.
Position 3: 160 points.
Position 4: 145 points.
Position 5: 130 points.

The rest: 100 points.


Thank you very much, we really hope you enjoy the tournament.

Vepar @ Kirin Tor
Vepar

80 Blood Elf Paladin
0
Not bad Overall.

Yogg-Saron + 0: 8 minutes.

Yogg-Saron + 1: 6 minutes.

Yogg +0 defiantly not worth it


Algalon: 10 minutes.

This Part isnt Good. here is why:
Algalon Fight is 6min
+2min to get to and kill the Trash (3 small adds and 2 Big Guys)
+1min For the Bran animation
= ~9min just to kill the boss.

now does Killing Algalon count in the Total time Doing it or just a -10min if u can kill him.
For example do u go kill all bosses, timer stops when u kill Yogg and then u can kill Algalon for a -10min or does the timer Stop when u kill Algalon.

Cuz all the trouble of killing Algalon for around a -1min doesnt seem worth it

Vepar @ Kirin Tor
Vepar

80 Blood Elf Paladin
0
Edited by Vepar on 2015-04-24 21:13:31
Another thing i just realized,

Mimiron, Freya, Thorim, Hodir: 30+ minutes.


if u cant kill One of the keepers u cant Proceed to Vezax or Yogg so its not Really "bosses missing" its Run not Finished... XD

Rachaelray @ Kirin Tor
Rachaelray

1 Tauren Druid
0
Has any thought been given to requiring combat logs in addition to the kill videos? As some exploits/bug abuses are only detectable by looking at logs.



Lepa @ Kirin Tor
Lepa

1 Blood Elf Priest
0
Edited by Lepa on 2015-04-24 23:01:12
The 10 mins on Algalon are correct, considering Brann's conversation and stuck in combat for over 2 mins, till he is leaving the room (even tho Vepar has a point about reducing the overall timer after killing Yogg, otherwise it's completely not worth to bother with Algalon for speed run purposes).
If people won't kill the Keepers and bosses in Descend they will get extra +70 minutes, that's kind of logical.

Everything seems good except for Hodir, hardmode is making the fight last about 1,5, max 2 minutes. So reducing the timer for him makes no sense at all.

Also the question regardless Vezax trash, as most of the guilds are using Death and Decay and Banish not to pull the whole pack, is it considered abusing as they are supposed to be linked with each other?


Vepar @ Kirin Tor
Vepar

80 Blood Elf Paladin
0
Edited by Vepar on 2015-04-24 23:09:06
We really need an answer about the Algalon Thing
Hodor Fight is also correct cuz hardmode isnt harder so mo point in a Timer Reduction.

But About the last thing Lepa.
They say u can Submit a non full run and gave a Timer penalty for Some Bosses Right? but Think about this:

Ignis, Razorscale: 20+ minutes.
Mimiron, Freya, Thorim, Hodir: 30+ minutes.
Yogg-Saron, Vezax: 40+ minutes.

There is no penatly for not Killing XT, Kolo, Council , Auraya...
so if u kill

Levi, Razor and Ign. Should take u less than 20 min for all of them. and u Call the Raid FINISHED! u get:
Those 20 min + 4x30min for the Keepers + 2x40min for Vez and Yogg = 3hrs 40min TOTAL TIME


Right?

Lothloryen @ Kirin Tor
Lothloryen
Staff Member
Hello there,

You are right, we will increase Algalon by 5 minutes, which would make a 15 minutes bonus.

One thing:

Mimiron, Freya, Thorim, Hodir: 30+ minutes.


This means per boss, as states just the previous sentence, the time penalization shall be applied per boss. So if you skip all the keepers you will receive a 120 minutes + penalization.

Trash Vezax is linked so if anyone have found a way to pick each NPC individually, his team will not be allowed to perform it on the tournament.

Thank you very much.

Vepar @ Kirin Tor
Vepar

80 Blood Elf Paladin
0
Edited by Vepar on 2015-04-24 23:35:51
Ill write it again ... i did consider 30 min each ... i wrote 4x30min ...

Levi, Razor and Ign. Should take u less than 20 min for all of them. and u Call the Raid FINISHED! u get:
Those 20 min + 4x30min for the Keepers + 2x40min for Vez and Yogg = 3hrs 40min TOTAL TIME


All the punishements add up to 4hrs, so if u kill Levi, Razor and Ign and Say that u are Done ... Take all the Punishements (3hr 20min) Your Total raid Time will be =
Time it tokk u to kill Levi, razor and Ign + 3hr 20min = ~3hr40min

Lothloryen @ Kirin Tor
Lothloryen
Staff Member
Edited by Lothloryen on 2015-04-24 23:44:26
Sorry, I did not read it properly. There is also present this rule:

This team can still present their video and be considered participant of the tournament if they have at least reached and killed Auriaya


So you need to at least reach and kill Auriaya, which means killing also XT-002 Deconstructor, the Iron Council and Kologarn. Else, the participation will not be valid.


Vepar @ Kirin Tor
Vepar

80 Blood Elf Paladin
0
Edited by Vepar on 2015-04-24 23:40:13
Oh i didnt see that
Ok that's better then
Still Think leaving Algalon out of the Race Completely would be better, Not everyone has the key and all that

Lepa @ Kirin Tor
Lepa

1 Blood Elf Priest
0
Yeah, I assume the same. That's around bonus 5 mins only for the guilds that can kill Algalon, wich is not fair for everyone.

Lothloryen @ Kirin Tor
Lothloryen
Staff Member
Okay, I will be open to suggestions until few days before the Tournament starts, if more players think Algalon should be removed for this mere reason we shall do it.

Vepar @ Kirin Tor
Vepar

80 Blood Elf Paladin
0
Edited by Vepar on 2015-04-24 23:46:20
yea cuz its a Small boost to the 2 guilds that have access to Algalon, Think u should leave Algalon out of the Race.

Lepa and Myself Will kill him if it remains like this but lets hear what others Think

Lepa @ Kirin Tor
Lepa

1 Blood Elf Priest
0
Three guilds + Memento having the key from Epiphany.

Gerardd @ Kirin Tor
Gerardd

1 Human Mage
0
Awesome! thanks and good luck to everyone.

Snakeeyes @ Kirin Tor
Snakeeyes
80 Night Elf Druid
0
Would be nice to see if algalon is in the race, but like not to have specific time or anything just like he can give a small bonus to guilds that kill him. Yes it is only probably 3 guilds right? Obsidius, Maelstorm and OverDoZer right? You mentioned memento Lepa, yes they have key but they cant kill him wich leaves only 3 guilds wich are able to kill him and bcz of it when and if they do it a small bonus for that should be given to them also. Reason is bcz all those guilds worked hard and played to reach that point and finish ulduar completly right? Now you can award them even more for killing him. For those who dont have him well yea..they dont get that little bonus but that is the thing. Its a race its progress hah some progressed further and they get more, some who didnt they get less.

Or as many will probably say, to leave algalon out of the raid and just do 13 main bosses..then all will be equal, its yours and peoples decision

Lepa @ Kirin Tor
Lepa

1 Blood Elf Priest
0
You have a point in that ofc. But we would like other guild leaders to comment on this one as well, it's up to general decision, not just us. Also Death Wish since they did Algalon in 25 man recently. So that makes 4 votes if we exclude Memento.

Demonizers @ Kirin Tor
Demonizers

1 Blood Elf Warlock
0
I don't really care wether Algalon should be in the race or not. As many people mentioned many guilds do not have the key or has lend the key without killing Mimiron hardmode. For my own sake of this being a competition between the most dedicated guilds, I guess an exstra reward or timer would be nice to have for those guilds that actually have obtained the key correctly(Obsidius, Maelstrom and Overdozer). But I am also fine with the race only being about the 13 other bosses, since Algalon is not killable for everyone and it would make it more fair to the other guilds in the competition

- Demonizer Maelstrom

Vepar @ Kirin Tor
Vepar

80 Blood Elf Paladin
0
Edited by Vepar on 2015-04-25 15:29:14
Here is the main reason why i would Exclude Algalon in this state of the Rules.
I have already stated that it takes u about ~9min to kill him with all the Trash and Role-playing going on.
Now what happens if u wipe on him. You end up Losing Time. Meaning u will end up with a slower time than u would Having never tried him at all.
Now the reason why We SHOULD have him in the race is Advertisement, Streamers and Vid Uploads of the Fight are always good.
Thats why i would Suggest, if u have to have him in the Race, Make it a BONUS! like this:

You Finish all the other bosses ending with Yogg. and Thats your time. Then u go and kill Algalon and if u kill him u get 1 min bonus or something trivial like that

That way he still ends up as part of the Race ... What do u guys think about that?

Rr @ Kirin Tor
Rr

1 Night Elf Hunter
0
Edited by Rr on 2015-04-25 16:32:44
Thats not a bad idea at all. You have a point there, it happens you wipe and you lost time on him and you just cant keep doing other bosses bcz you have to finish him or he will despawn and basically then you got nothing. So the idea Vepar had with doing all other 13 bosses first and ending at yogg that should be like the time for all. And now those guilds that kill alga after it they get that some kind of "bonus". Race is then lets say more equal bcz 13 bosses count to the actual time, but alga is only counting for those that want even more as a bonus, not huge bonus but a little one :D

But I would like to hear opinion from other people from other guilds also that arent able to get and kill Algalon

Demonizers @ Kirin Tor
Demonizers

1 Blood Elf Warlock
0
I agree with Vepar on this. Actually a pretty good idea. But of course we have to take into consideration that smaller guilds probably can't do this and will miss the bonus. But for the competition between the more dedicated guilds this seems like a nice idea, since as already stated, the timer for Algalon kill and the bonus time you get for killing him is kinda weak.

- Demonizer Maelstrom

Lothloryen @ Kirin Tor
Lothloryen
Staff Member
Hello there,

Thank you very much for your suggestions. Lets see if during the next few days someone else has something to say.

Tarpor @ Kirin Tor
Tarpor

10 Blood Elf Paladin
0
Few suggestions then using the 13/13 yogg killed and do algalon after.

Keep it at a 90 seconds off the timer, but for every death, that counter gets reduced by 5.
Chip off the timer left on the enrage from the final time.
Let guilds only have one-shot at getting the reduced time, a wipe is no reduced time.
Or maybe even keep it at a 60 second off the timer and every wipe is -15 seconds.

(pls dont spawnerino multiple algalonis)

Tharon @ Kirin Tor
Tharon

70 Human Warrior
0
Edited by Tharon on 2015-04-28 01:18:53
Very few of those hardmodes seem worth it honestly, there is 0% chance of wiping on normal and you dont have to prep anything pre pull, you can just rush through it without strats.

Imo the harder HMs should be rewarded to the point where its worth it with one wipe (firefighter, freya if still bugged)

Expertas @ Kirin Tor
Expertas
1 Human Warlock
0
(pls dont spawnerino multiple algalonis)


K

Quarterass @ Kirin Tor
Quarterass

1 Human Mage
0
Edited by Quarterass on 2015-04-30 08:31:16
8) The deadline to send us the video is the friday 8th of May. It must be sent to the e-mail: [email protected] [/qoute]

Hi. I am the streamer for my guild. When you say you want the video to be sent to the email addresss, do you mean that you want the full video file to be attached to the email message. Or instead in the email a link to the video stored online?


Lothloryen @ Kirin Tor
Lothloryen
Staff Member
Hello there,

With just the link is more than enough, we will check everything from there.

Thank you.

Lothloryen @ Kirin Tor
Lothloryen
Staff Member
Hello there,

Thank you for you suggestions. We have come to an agreement which is to remove Algalon from the speed run. This way everyone should have the same chances.

The rest of rules and conditions are exactly the same.

Good luck to everyone.

Lothloryen @ Kirin Tor
Lothloryen
Staff Member
Edited by Lothloryen on 2015-05-01 01:32:43
Hello there,

Thorim's and Mimiron's bonuses have been modified, have it in mind, please. (You can check them through the first post)

As a reminder, if anyone wants to perform an specific tactic and want to know if it would be allowed or not while keeping them on private, write an e-mail to: [email protected] and we shall answer you.

Thank you very much.

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